AT&T suffers Outages | AI Deepfake steals $25 million | The RTO Debate

Speaker 1: 0:00

Welcome back to the textual talk woman host HD and his episode 119. Joining us today will be a former guest of the show, destiny Williams, and she's come to kick it with us today To start off the show. We'll be talking about Destiny's weekend and the 18 and T outage last week and how Verizon helped me make sure I could keep one that can cause, as content creators were also reflecting on the power of a positive presence on social media, critical in today's professional landscape, with a little nudge towards the diverse reality of cybersecurity, beyond the negativity that can sometimes cloud his perception. Our candid conversation doesn't stop there. As we touch on AI's double edged sword and healthcare, including bone chilling deepfake scams that love businesses with millions gone, we'll question the financial controls of the staggering lack thereof and how these gaps can mean life or death in healthcare context. But it's not all serious. We'll stroll down memory lane with discussions on reading habits, share our take on some heavy popular literature and even dish out our thoughts on Tyler Perry's new movie, mia Coppa. And, of course, with remote work on the rise, we debate the return to office mandate, reflecting on our own personal experiences of the commute and the silent yet resounding question why are we here if we're not really interacting? There's also a hint of nostalgia as we consider the invaluable learning curve offered by the humble beginnings of the help desk. Before contemplating the frustration, long commutes sit within our work life balance. We packed all this and more finally in turn in our roadmap for the textual talks, future live show studio dreams and, of course, the topic you want to hear about. So send us your emails and let's keep the conversation going. So strap in, grab your popcorn and let's get cracking. Yes, so you had an eventful weekend.

Speaker 2: 1:34

I had a pretty eventful weekend. I would say so yes.

Speaker 1: 1:39

Really what? Can you share the details?

Speaker 2: 1:42

Um, yeah, lots of work. Yesterday was one of my friends her birthday dinner. Things may or may have not gotten heightened and may or may not have been a really really good night. Um so, yeah, I just had a really busy week. All in all, it was just a lot between the jobs and, yeah, busy week, busy weekend, yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:08

Same here. I think. Uh, busy week yesterday is pretty cool. We went to urban area Frisco, so chasing a two and three year old through there as a uh, it was a workout. They was still ready to play, but after almost two hours I was like maybe I'm going to go.

Speaker 2: 2:26

Two hours is a long time to be at urban area. One hour, I'm like wow, how, how far into this hour? That is tiring on the jumping and yeah, but it's fine, they slept good last night, I'm sure they'll be up soon.

Speaker 1: 2:43

I think that was a good thing because, like uh the two year old, she had started walking late anyway, but she was able to keep up the whole time. This time, uh, we got this place in prosper called prosper Playhouse, and it's not like that, because all of this is just slides and a little obstacle course thing. But now I'm like cool, are they good? Like a couple more years, I ain't really got to watch them, I just got to go watch about the trampoline or something. So, um, that was pretty cool, that's pretty cool. Let me, let me break everybody up. Thanks, what a cock. I fixed that back. And there we go. I don't even know. I mean technically this is the textual talk, but it may turn into his own series. Who knows, maybe it might be his own YouTube channel one day, um, but uh, for now it's going to be episode 119. So if you're listening to your cars or watching on YouTube, you know have to do subscribe to us. And if you're listening, uh, leave us a review. That really helps us out on the podcast algorithm, especially with the downloads. And today we are coming to discuss a lot of topics. Um, I think the first one we want to get into is the deep fakes with the robots. I think that's the first one we want to get into. So it says the deep fakes camera walks off with $25 million and first of his kind um, first of his kind AI heist. I'm going to say all heists. Let me go solo mode. That way, opus clips could do his thing later on. Okay, so on Sunday, a report from South China Morning Post revealed a significant financial loss suffered by a multinational company, hong Kong's office, amounting to HK 200 million, which would be $25.6 million a US dollars, due to a sophisticated scam involving deep fake technology. The scam featured a digital recreated version of the company's chief financial officer, along with other employees who appeared in a video conference call and struck in an employer to transfer funds. Due to an ongoing investigation, hong Kong police did not release details of which the company was scammed. Okay, here's some more info. So deep fakes use AI tools to create highly compensated fake videos, audio recordings, posing significant challenges for individuals and organizations to determine real fabricated content. Okay, let me just go through, like some of the high. So the scam initially uncovered following a phishing attempt, like it only happens with fishing, when the employee and finance department of the company's Hong Kong branch received what seemed to be a phishing message, purportedly from companies UK based chief financial officer instructing them to execute a secret transaction. Despite initial doubts, the employee was convinced enough by the presence of CFO with others in the group video call to make 15 transfers totaling HK 200 million to five different Hong Kong bank accounts. Officers realized scam occurred about a week later, prompting a police investigation. All right, let me put you back up here.

Speaker 2: 5:44

Um, my first thought is that why didn't you report it as fishing, when you thought it was fishing before you even, and then it being 15 different separate transactions is very strange. I don't understand. They should have asked more questions.

Speaker 1: 6:01

The hindsight is 2020, dealing with these things before it's not a? Is this simple? Um, pretty much what attackers will do is, let's say, me and you do business with one another and so let's say, for instance, they compromised me. Now they may not say nothing for a while, but they're trying to see Okay, what, what do we talk about? And so they see that me and you do financing our organizations. So now what they tend to do is wait out. They may make a domain and look just like mine. So you've been talking to me so much you don't realize that they've taken me off the thread and they put themselves on the thread with you and acting as if they're me and so where. What they typically do, like they did in this instance, was get them to confirm like the bank amounts and send them to different accounts. But most companies are supposed to have a process about this, especially if it's over a certain amount or a certain amount, and I've dealt with this before. So the issue always happens on twofold One, sometimes finance doesn't alert security in like enough time, so they didn't even know a compromise happened. Sometimes the controls they have on the other end. When it comes to them, even knowing they've been compromised. They don't even know, they don't pay attention. Sometimes companies try to do alleviate these things with like, for example, you have external. Every time you talk to somebody, you'll see that like come through the email, external with the woo. You know there are ways that some some problem, some platforms may say hey, you don't talk to the sender, you never talked to the sender before, or something like that. Like, something like that, if you pay attention to it, can help you out. I think the real kicker here was the, the AI stuff. Now, if they ever give us more context, I want to assume that they do something like voice confirmations or something when it comes to this type of stuff. And I say that because I can only see that them being the reason for them using the defect AI stuff, because obviously you really don't have to use all that to get the money out of people. You could just trick them. And I know on one of the topics you had about movies, or you asked me about lead the world behind which I have not seen yet, oh my gosh. Yeah, recently watched, I think you may like, is called heist 88, mm-hmm, with a. What's in that? Courtney B Vance, the dude that played OJ Simpson and all the other stuff, and Heist 88, he's pretty much a sophisticated bank robber and he finds his nephews and if you have friends and they decide to what's called it, they decide to steal money from the Chicago what was it? First, chicago Bank or something Cuz three of the friends working like Processing or they kind of approve like the amounts that CEOs want to transfer to different accounts and it goes by voice activation. So they study these people. Voices sound just like the, the CFO is there work at these companies and they send them to a bank, I think in Switzerland or something, and by the time that they caught on, what's a plot is, but just in general, by the time they caught on was too late. So we would call it, of course you know, social engineering and and insider threat, but that's not the stuff. See, when I watch movies I always think of like what we would do to kind of Kind of attack this beforehand. And the funny thing is During that time in the movie the movie they were moving away from that to computers because of that risk as well. So that's kind of like their risk acceptance, but it's a really good movie. It didn't get talked about nearly enough, but it's a really good. I'm gonna check it out.

Speaker 2: 9:30

I also think that they should have had, like, dual control implemented or multiple layers of control implemented. Yeah, so I used to work at the bank and we all had different Combinations to different things, and so one person isn't just able to am, but to open up to save it. Don't work like that and that's what they should have had implemented in that company. One person shouldn't have the authority, the permissions, to be able to send a transaction for such a large amount without it having to go to someone else for review, for clarification, for understanding, before it's actually processed. So that's my piece there. That makes it kind of feel Completely insane, because why was one person even able to send such a large amount? Or even when I worked at you know state farm, like I, only have the ability to process transactions, you know, for a certain amount that was over that amount. It had to be approved and I had to submit supporting you know documentation, essentially to Show that I actually do need to process this transaction for this amount. So they should have had controls in place for that for sure dual control.

Speaker 1: 10:50

These you would. You would be surprised. I just that's all I would say.

Speaker 2: 10:55

I'm not too surprised, because I also work with customers, so I know that they don't have. Most people don't have things implemented as they should, but being that they even have that much money to send, I'm sure now they have a process in place.

Speaker 1: 11:17

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Speaker 2: 12:59

I'm gonna be honest, because there is benefit of going to the office and being able to engage in conversation with people, but if your work culture isn't engaging and if you're going in office and you're not talking to anyone and that's the norm for your company, I don't see the point of it. That whatsoever, completely whatsoever. When I was working in the company, when I was working, I see a TNT. We had to go into the office a couple days a week and it was. We weren't really interacting with each other, so I didn't really think it was beneficial for us to be coming in. But I and then, on the other hand, like if people are performing well and the company's doing well, the people alone like why, why are we doing that? Why? Why is that a thing? Why do people have to? You know, worry about that and consider that as Something that they have to put into.

Speaker 1: 13:58

You know their schedule and come up with the new routine, new routine for yeah, I don't think it's something that actually worried about, to be honest, I really think Just one of things where they want bodies in the seats. Now, from my experience at JP Morgan, my team was in Ohio but I did go into the office. I talked to the people that was immediately around me. So I met my god DK, who at the time was doing threat my win, I met I Think his name is cherry. He was doing he came from doing DLP for Walmart. So I met some people, but in general I wouldn't just collaborating with them every day. I Will come in at 8. I'll leave by 12 pm.

Speaker 2: 14:40

Yeah, back home, because I People are doing too like a lot of people are starting the day in the office and about lunch ish, or maybe after lunch going home.

Speaker 1: 14:51

I just I forgot exactly what. I read it somewhere. But it's a turn for that, because for me I did it because I didn't want to hit traffic. When I get a word, it would take me like Down the street, and when I believe on lunch, I get there in like 30 minutes.

Speaker 2: 15:07

Yep, that's not. That's how it was for me to. It would take me like 15, 20 minutes to get to work and then an hour, in some change, to get home. So I'm not a fan of it. I do see the benefit of it if your work, work culture is, you know, a culture where y'all actually do interact with each other. But if you're just being told to go in because they need to have bodies in the building, because they're paying for the building, then companies need to be reconsidered that, because If no one's here, what's that? You, the only person who do security, and you go into the office, like what fun is that gonna be for you, you know?

Speaker 1: 15:45

Yeah, that's how I was like. Now I Think I probably I will one. I was just doing that cuz I was trying to get back home so I could like do some cost or do some work. I wouldn't do a lot of work, man, like I tip you all time when I put them four weeks in there at JPMorgan. They try maybe do more work than I typically did and I was like, come on now I just let me do my time, which is let me live a little by time and get out. Now I did get the chance to go to Ohio and collaborate that with them more. But yeah, all in all, I think it's cool. Like, if you now here, we here will. I'll give you guys what you should do. And this, this is if you like what you're doing now, if you like what you're doing and you don't the person there, cool, it doesn't matter. Just be visible somewhere, try to find who the movers and shakers are and meet them, so you have some people to advocate on your behalf. You want to go to a different department or or something else? You can do that. But if that's not what you're trying to do and just put your head down, then a if they don't, if they're not clocking how long you been there bad gin and stay there a little bit and go home because we use a JPMorgan? Well, a lot of financial companies use VDIs. Yeah, for the people that don't know what that is In lamest terms, let's say you have your own personal computer and you have this application where you can access everything that you need to do for work. It's like a virtual environment. So if you ever use something like virtual box or VM ware similar like this typically runs on Citrix and it's like you got your another computer. It's like you got a laptop at home, but it's on your laptop. So it's pros and cons to that as well, but that's why it's also another benefit of just having to be the eye and have to when by ever leaving your laptop home.

Speaker 2: 17:27

Yeah, count me out tonight in don't want to do it.

Speaker 1: 17:31

It's me I forgot to bring this up. We could take this banner down. Do you have AT&T? I?

Speaker 2: 17:38

Freaking do. And yes, I was one of the ones who was affected.

Speaker 1: 17:44

I got Verizon.

Speaker 2: 17:47

Wasn't it also Verizon anti-mobile?

Speaker 1: 17:49

just T-Mobile AT&T I.

Speaker 2: 17:52

Read some. It was like 10 other carriers, but they were like not big carriers.

Speaker 1: 17:58

Like you know, AT&T is how you know Verizon, at&t and T-Mobile them have Smaller carriers that use their towers.

Speaker 2: 18:08

Yeah, yeah, like it was like Don't get me lying about the names, I can't remember but yeah, it was more companies, they were just for smaller companies. But I Was pretty bummed. I've been with AT&T since I was in like the fifth grade, so I've never had any issues with my service. And actually I didn't even know about it until I got on social media and Seeing other people were talking about it, because I was working that day, you know, with the customers. I was pretty busy and I wasn't really able to, you know, use my phone like I normally would have. So I Got on social media and then that's when I realized I had the SOS at the top of my phone and so it was like that all day till, like literally like noon, like right at noon. That's when I started getting like text messages and, you know, my service start going back. So basically I could use my. So basically I could use my I message. Like you know, I messaged Wi-Fi pretty much like I could. Anything I can do on Wi-Fi I still could do. But I had actually left my apartment during that time frame to go get the mail and when I went outside, that's when it was clear that it wasn't working because I was trying to text my brother and he has iPhone and so I tried to send. You know, it takes message to him and it wasn't going through like so that's. I was like oh yeah, I'm one of the people who've been affected.

Speaker 1: 19:35

Yeah, I woke up and I think was I sleep or something and I seen it and I asked my girl's like yo, did your phone go on SOS my last night? And she was like yeah, in the whole next day she couldn't really make calls and stuff until like a certain time of the day. Like I said, what if those problems because I pay a little bit more to use for either and it's the time that it worked out for me. Let me see, I'm trying to find I should have. I have a screenshot of I'm trying to see the post, so I have the context. Oh, I got it. I found the comments and I use wondering what does this keep it? Cute thing about man. Oh yeah, let's talk about my last, so which is my latest episode is out now. My guy went from finance to software engineering, so he's always deliver on there, and I have partnered with level up and tech with their program for a while now, and so occasionally I will do post about hey, if you want to get into the cloud, join here. And I had two people coming on my posts and stupid stuff that we don't normally interact with, and so I was prepared to be petty with them. Actually, the next post I think I made, I said you know, don't come on my. I said some, I don't come on my post doing something, and then you finna get realized you mess with cat Williams. I said something, but I am very petty. Don't come on my post If you don't normally talk to me and try to mess up stuff that has to do with my business that I'm trying to do and help somebody else out. If it ain't what you want to do with your career, you already in cool Right Because you have a motive. Both people have their own motives, and one person on that post actually got help by the people who started the whole program, which is so just weird to me. So I was like that's what I'm kind of do. Baby Mac is like now I kind of want to see you in person to see, like, why are you playing on my top like that?

Speaker 2: 21:33

Because I don't know you, because keep it cute or put it on me, but keep it cute or put it on you. I agree with you. Don't people just be popping off at the mouth just wanting to see you Popping off at the mouth, just wanting to say something, wanting to be that person that has the quote, unquote controversy stirring around them? So I do think that you should keep it cute or you should put it absolutely on mute If you don't have anything good to say or contribute. I can see if it was like a status where you were actually seeking some controversy, you know, with that person, but you weren't. So keep it cute, yeah.

Speaker 1: 22:14

And a lot of times. Sometimes I forget that it's not Twitter, because on Twitter I'll tell you something different, but so I just like whatever.

Speaker 2: 22:22

What would you say on Twitter?

Speaker 1: 22:25

Probably GOMD or SMD. Yup.

Speaker 2: 22:27

That's what.

Speaker 1: 22:27

I probably would say One of them is a woman who I think is still a very good content creator and I'm doing a good in their job. I just didn't like that, like you came on there being facetious on what's the price. She had a schedule called. You already know the price and you're over here.

Speaker 2: 22:44

Don't ask me what the price is, and you're a content creator, you know how. That though I'm like, oh that's what this is.

Speaker 1: 22:48

I'm pretty sure you got it. I don't have to disclose that. Like, stop lying to these people. I'm like I'll find a woman to slap you. Don't play with me. It's real. Don't play with me. But it was another post I made, so everybody has tuned into the video I made last week about hey, people are lying to you, talking about they get you in a stop security for 45 days, even hitting with the R Kelly. That's stupid. You should have yeah.

Speaker 2: 23:17

That don't make it, don't make sense.

Speaker 1: 23:20

Right, but it was a good idea.

Speaker 2: 23:21

Don't you think it'd be more people working in the family and less people looking on YouTube and trying to find all these red light? Oh Lord, please free us from the shackles of these people that are lying to people who are actually trying to get it. It does not work like that. You can't learn something in 45 days and think that you about to be a millionaire. Just, it's not. The math is a mad thing, right?

Speaker 1: 23:50

So this dude right here he was a part of the problem. Now he was pissing me off too. He was talking about pride and jumping in, stop security. You really need to understand that none of the tools work and nobody cares and we're blaming you for the issues. It is literally one of the worst jobs and I teach with extremely high burnout rates, poisonous product providers and stress that bosses and teammates sure, the money is good, but it comes with a very heavy price and he ain't even really did anything in cyber.

Speaker 2: 24:13

Do you work in the field?

Speaker 1: 24:14

No, he does not.

Speaker 2: 24:15

Okay, that's what it sounds like, because that sounds like somebody who either a hates their job or B they don't work in the field. And if you hate your job, then that's on you, not everyone else. And cyber is such a big pool to just say that it sucks in general. Some jobs may suck, you know, depending on who you are, what you like to do, what you find to be boring, what you find to be stimulating. But to put the whole pool and say like the whole field is boring and it's like be quiet, be quiet.

Speaker 1: 24:50

Yeah, this dude was talking about. You know, that's what pissed me off, because he doesn't know who I help and he was like oh, you're focused on new people getting to the field, not pen testers, white hats. I'm like a pen tester could fall on to being a white hat. Anyway, where do you think 99%? And I don't know what he's talking about, because I want to say you know, it happens when you make an assumption, right?

Speaker 2: 25:12

But I didn't say you make a wet idea.

Speaker 1: 25:14

So okay, what you said is nearly opinionated, because you cannot. I meant to say sometimes I got a problem is I type what I thought I had in my head, but I was like I think I say you cannot prove everything you initially said. And that's his experience, you know unless you're not really understanding your response, to be honest. That said, I have seen a large number of people jump into cyber and get churned through very quickly. Now, this used to be as older people back in the 2000s, when a hundred hour work week was a norm. These days, those demands are rightfully too much, and young people need to understand exactly what they're getting into ahead of time, like what's the dude talking about? Sure, if you can survive long enough, you show good work. If they can see us and other opportunities will open up. But that is the same in any field. Ask for tools not working. I know none of them work. Check out the news anytime, happy to a sock, and see how many alerts are simply a number because of the overload. When you write for the masses, then you need to address what people must face.

Speaker 2: 26:14

You know how people say it's not in you, it's on you. It's not on you, it's in you, it's not in him, for sure it's not for you, sir, it's not for you.

Speaker 1: 26:24

And that's okay.

Speaker 2: 26:26

And that's okay. That's just not for you.

Speaker 1: 26:29

I've been in IT since the early 1990s, first as a Neuro-Soccery Researcher, then as an Enterprise Architect. I ran the vision at Honeywell TSI, then modernized Cambridge Associates. Let's see, I have been in portfolio company CXO. He got a lot of world power startups, also mentor startups. I still don't see where he just got this.

Speaker 2: 26:51

Like the same experience In the actual, like doing something actually cyber focused.

Speaker 1: 27:01

He's not, like we know, an enterprise architecture. They don't necessarily have to be super technical.

Speaker 2: 27:07

Yup.

Speaker 1: 27:08

Because I took the class at UD. So, anyway, get off my dick. That's what I can tell him For real. He had me hot. That's why I didn't respond to him too, cause I was like, how come about it?

Speaker 2: 27:22

I think I'm being nervous for stuff like that, Cause my mouth is yeah.

Speaker 1: 27:27

Well, don't people don't like, for example, let me go back to sharing my thing, cause people know. Let me see what the show with Brian says. My God, brian, Richard he actually and this will be pissing me off Cause Brian used to be a cop and he did love over tech and now he's been working tech for like for a while now. He said one day I get enough courage to start a podcast on YouTube trying to tell you how to shoot for, about the cloud field and some folks on this app, like Gunry Davis. Until then, I live vicariously through him Cause people know I'm going to be caring about all that stupid stuff. I swear I don't. We dealing with the person who used to have to deal with getting roasted, wearing glasses and all this other stuff and I had to wire. So I can do a bit of anybody if I want to.

Speaker 2: 28:18

Okay.

Speaker 1: 28:20

Now we have. Which one is this one? There we go. This is your, your topic. So I want to know, I guess, what prompted this topic.

Speaker 2: 28:35

Because why, why like? Why you even have people who have zero experience, who are starting out, who have heard like the help desk isn't the place to be, and so they're immediately rejecting the idea, the thought or the, even the position. And for what? If you don't have any experience, who are you, respectfully, who are you to? Who are you to say you don't want to do a help desk grow? Why, why not? You don't even know how much information that you can learn and gain from doing a help desk grow. Now I will say that historically, we people of color have it's been more difficult for us to get out of those roles once you are in that role, but that's when, at that point, that's a you thing and you need to figure out how to pivot out of it and show you know what you've learned while you were in that role. But I do think the help desk is a good, a very good starting place for people who are interested in working in the field, because you learned a lot about what users are calling in, some common issues that you can, you know, troubleshoot. I just don't, I don't like that. I don't like that. That's. Everybody has a job and a purpose, you know. So I just I don't like that. Help desk grows, get that kind of that shitty. I don't want to do it. I want to do it, Don't do it, don't apply. You're going to get stuck. I don't like that. I don't like it at all.

Speaker 1: 30:04

Most people who say that never worked at this at all.

Speaker 2: 30:06

Exactly.

Speaker 1: 30:07

Most people.

Speaker 2: 30:09

And when you do work those roles like you kind of become, because there's different, there's levels and flavors too. Even you know working at the, working on working at the help desk, so you could be learning something that could benefit you when you leave that position. It's just how you go about it, you know yeah.

Speaker 1: 30:29

So it's a. I know it's a, it's a. It's an archaic way. I'm not I don't want to say thinking, but sometimes I don't tip them. They got to start there. I do tell them to help if they want some experience to, to get a help desk job. If they don't know anything, like hey, just get some type of foundation. I've told people in that video and in a couple of videos this year, like hey, it's 2024 and it's it's kind of different. I've told them, hey, get you. Matter of fact, hang on, look, let me do the shameless plug real quick. Where is it? This video is being brought to you by course careers. What's going on? Guys, if you're looking to start your IT career, then check out the IT course at course careers, taught by none other than the great Josh Meta. I'm pretty sure you heard of him, but we all know that it could be pretty pricey in the IT and this course is very affordable. And also, if you don't want to pay back those two loans like I have to, then this is the course for you. So check out the course careers course. My link will be in the description. Use code textual 50 in order to get $50 off of your course and get started on your IT career today. All right, you have to jot that plug now Quick, since we're talking about help desk. But no, in all reality I've told people, hey, you may have to get you a feeder roll now to go into cyber because, like two, three years ago, it was easier. Most people were remote. If you know that you've been seeing less and less remote offerings and now the only way to get remote is if you got elite skill set or you got enough experience to where you would qualify for the remote role. How do I know this? Because I still get remote roles that hit me up all the time and I have a friend who has been in as long he always like man where you getting all these remote roles from? I just I've been in low enough to where most of the roles I apply to or whatever, are remote. Now, honestly, for the right price, I would go back to hybrid. It just had to be a job that I like and not too far away, like, preferably legacy or headquarters area, well, maybe even Addison, but anything past Addison prior to like going like once a month would be probably too far for me, cause it just went.

Speaker 2: 32:42

That commuted is a big deal Like, especially when you've not been doing it for so long, like when I first moved to the DFW area like I was commuting I would leave work for work two hours before. That's how far I was staying and I would like have like 45 minutes to you know kind of hang out. But on my way home it was just absolutely insane and to not attempt wouldn't recommend the commute definitely matters, cause it plays into like your frustration. You like I gotta get up. I had to get up two hours before work. Three hours, whatever it may be, the commute is a big piece in it for sure, especially for me, cause I've experienced it Like I've driven an hour to work an hour, instant change home. Who wants to do that? Especially if you have had a frustrating day. Who wants to be the person that has to get up? And you know, do that If you've had a frustrating day at work, whether it be a customer, leadership, teammates, whatever it may be, and then you got to drive an hour and a half home in traffic with people who can't drive, you're gonna be mad. Ha, ha, ha ha.

Speaker 1: 33:57

Man, listen, that was me. 2016 moved out here. I was happy and stuff, waking up at what right before five, driving down 75 to go to Addison. Not knowing why am I drawing all the way down 380, hitting 75, when I can just hit down some of the tollway? So it was like stages. At first it was like 380 to 75. It was always a wreck. I was like if I'm not on 380, I mean if I'm not on 75 by like six in the morning, I'm going to be late to work. Then after that, my friend Judy she was like yo, son, I take Koi out of the way to work because she actually used to work downtown and like we stayed. She probably stayed like five to 10 minutes from me. At the time I was staying with my aunt and she was staying with her uncle and Frisco. It's like cool. So I started taking Koi and I was like hey, I got to be at work closer to 630 because at certain times that's when the schools don't start and people start going to school. Then after that it started getting into oh what, the tollway. I can get here in like 10, 15 minutes. Man, I used to leave our time to ways and like it'll be times where I went at work, but I would just use UltiPro the clock in before I got to work so it went like I was late so I did that for a while. But those commutes are crazy. When I moved up here to Aubrey and Goldman Sachs was like three days a week and the way that they Texas is one of the stupidest places ever. They'll build all the houses, then fix the roads later, when you should just make the roads big enough in the beginning, then add the houses, cause they still working on 380 right now. I know it's hell for people to go to work, like it would take me 30, 40 minutes just to get to the tollway, not including getting on the tollway, taking me 40, 50, 60 minutes. Like. One time I was so tired from being in traffic. I swear to God, this was like when I was on my way out of Goldman Sachs. I put over I don't know if you've ever been a Willoughbend mall. Yeah, actually I put a Willoughbend mall parking garage and went to sleep, took me in that, woke up and went in to work, cause by that time they don't care, you already gone Like you just have to stay. Whatever your time is, I was like it is where it is for you. That's how I went. I was in traffic. I was like. I was like this ain't it, this is not it what we got.

Speaker 2: 36:23

They go to the X-Rick U today, like I heard they do.

Speaker 1: 36:27

No honestly.

Speaker 2: 36:28

Well, actually I wasn't looking at security roles, so I'll be clear about that.

Speaker 1: 36:33

I will say I won't say they will work you to death. I will say they're very lean. They don't have as big as a org or they are. Their teams are not that big but they use a lot of automation. Like on our incident management team. It was what three or four of us at the time One of them is a one of them, crystal. She's actually in that group chat. I have us all in, so she's still been doing some incident management there. I mean, incident management is really a fun job. Like I said, you get to learn a lot about all different departments, you find a lot of different maybe you make a lot of different connections and so if you can use that to your advantage, it's pretty good. Cause your name when instance is going on and in the stakeholder see your name, you would have a good report and all the different updates they remember. Promotions and bonuses should not be easy I mean hard to get unless the company did not do good. That's just my experience with that. Now I know you want to talk about gatekeeping, right?

Speaker 2: 37:30

I do.

Speaker 1: 37:33

So you said it's gatekeeping and ugly characteristic and I'll let you give your take on it. First, I have a lot of different things that I think about gatekeeping, since we are in 2024 now.

Speaker 2: 37:45

I feel I guess I know basically, is it a ugly characteristic? It can be, but you some things you should gatekeep If you think about it in terms of being someone like who's the influencer? Of course, they're not going to give you keys to the kingdom, especially if they're very successful, but I do feel like it is important to reach out and help someone else. So I guess it just depends on the scenario for me, but I know that a lot of people have probably, if they're trying to get into the field, they felt like they have encountered or come across someone who is a gatekeeper, who don't necessarily want to tell them that you should do this, this and this or focus in on this. So I think it just depends on the scenario or the situation, but I do. It is an ugly characteristic if you're looking at it from that way. But I also, in the same breath and sentence, understand that some things you should gatekeep for you, just like if you give everyone everything that you're working with and you know what flavor are you left to have if you're giving it to everyone. So I it's tough, it's tough. What do you think?

Speaker 1: 39:05

Funny that you said showing everything. Funny that you said showing them everything you're working with, because they remind me of the old folks talking about the women back in the day. I'll leave some to the imagination.

Speaker 2: 39:16

Exactly, exactly, exactly.

Speaker 1: 39:18

But honestly, bring gatekeeping back, like a lot of the stuff that y'all learned we should never told y'all. It should just been left for the people who deserve to know the information. Cause y'all did so much. My TikTok one of my it's not viral to me, but it's did a lot of views is I said, hey, y'all finish y'all sales out of a job Cause people was doing too much when I was working from home. Y'all was doing too much. Bring that gate Too much, why you had to record it Like, even like, even if you're not so, if you're not doing C2C or 1099, you really shouldn't be advocating that you got a lot of jobs unless the jobs know about it and it's you know. No, no, compete that you're good and clear about it If not like people are doing too.

Speaker 2: 40:04

Let's be clear People aren't typically doing that Like yeah.

Speaker 1: 40:11

Like there was a guy he had like three jobs at one point in time and he messed up by working one of the jobs at the one of the other places and I'm like, bro, just let one go. Like that's the thing too. So a lot of people also have started doing over employment and then some of the jobs are just not manageable. You're not at a level yet where you could do two. I tell people.

Speaker 2: 40:34

Why do you feel like you can do two? If you're just starting out? You can barely understand what's required of you from your first job. Now, if we're talking about someone who got years of experience in the game, that's a different thing. But I just hate. I just hate what social media has done to cybersecurity as a field, like unrealistic expectations, people thinking that they can get two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, 11 jobs. You can.

Speaker 1: 41:01

You know what? We don't see this that much in cyber. It's more the other. Sometimes you can see them engineering or some of the non-technical roles. You don't see it that much in cyber because they're not going to really advocate it, because we know about ethics and all the different things you're not supposed to. You can see you got different things you can look at that you could do something with. So it's not advocate advertised a lot in cyber. It's just other people and then other people. Some of them are only able to do it because they are just different, they're anomalies. They can skips with their means out and they don't have any conflicted things and boom, they're done, they got it done. Everybody can't do it. Everybody will slap the job that they care about the most and it goes like this. But it's really. You know people they want to be stylist, they want to have on the luxury items. I get it. It's a good way to bring yourself Like.

Speaker 2: 41:53

I told you and I'm not saying don't have multiple jobs, just be careful what you're doing when you're having those multiple jobs, because you could find yourself in trouble If you're not. Like you said, the whole compete thing, if you were working at your primary jobs competitor and they find out.

Speaker 1: 42:13

I doubt that. You shouldn't do that. You shouldn't work for somewhere like you one of your companies is a vendor for unless they're clear for it, because then they'll see your name. That like one time I was company doing something Like I worked for Optif at the time and this company hit me up for do some with crowdstrike Granted, that's cause I had this crowdstrike certification on my resume and they was like, yeah, we do this. I know one of the companies to work for is this. I said, oh no, you ain't finna see my name twice somewhere and be like what's going on over there? Which high size 2020, they might have just been cool with it, with me, because I had this so much good work. But you just never know, cause sometimes your management be hating on you. I'm just gonna leave it like that. But gatekeeping I think there's a misconception. Like people have been giving out so much gain back when, back in my day, when I was coming up, you didn't notice stuff they wouldn't tell you you would have to find information on your own. Like gatekeeping is what they do sometimes with some of the software we have. For example, if I wanted to bring my students in, I wanted to show you about an EDR. I want to show you about crash like a tanium. I can't necessarily just get a demo of tanium to show you how I wish. So that's the gatekeeping. That's how I was like well, how do I get experience? I got experience. How will I learn this stuff? And I can't touch it. That's the fights I try to fight. It's like figure, okay, what type of customers I mean commercial solution Can I help you guys show? And that's why I always tell people to go with Microsoft products, because I love Sentinel. You can do Defender for free. You can pretty much do. I think you can even get access to all this stuff, like even access to Microsoft purview and like some good stuff.

Speaker 2: 43:55

At least for 30 days typically. A lot of things are free and make another email, do it again.

Speaker 1: 44:01

So that's the real gatekeeping. Now again, access to stuff you should learn how to use so you can get a job that you're interested in. That's the real gatekeeper. So and let me see, did I upload the thing I thought I did that Hang on? This one overlay that I thought I put up there? Is this this one? Let's see if it's this one, there we go, all right. So, yeah, change health care was hacked. And let me go to that article briefly, real quick. Oh, actually I can do the one on tick crunch, because I was on tick crunch last night. Okay, funny enough, I actually supported change health care a little bit back in the day. That's neither here nor there, but US health tech, change health care hit by cyber attack and let's see. I want to see if it's going to show us what it was. And we got to go back to what happened. Actually, let's check this status page. So on the 21st, some applications are currently unavailable. Optimus currently triage on the issue and will provide further updates that they are available. So typically legal will let them know if they can tell somebody they had a cyber attack or not. So it's not disclosed. Yeah, let's see. I said I had a network in the workshop. I'm trying to find something good on here. I don't want to just bring it up to not bring it up, but I got my own spill on this why I know on the back end well probably about three years ago why this could have happened. I want to say the same now. We see this needs to hear.

Speaker 2: 45:39

Yeah, I have thoughts about what happened with them, for sure.

Speaker 1: 45:44

OK, they came outside threat and interests of protecting their partners and patients, we took immediate action and disconnect our system to prevent further impact. I know I also saw where they were telling the pharmacies they were still getting hit. So like hey don't.

Speaker 2: 45:57

They were basically saying like disconnect from us until we tell you it's clear.

Speaker 1: 46:05

Yeah, they're one of the Lord. They're going to have to open this. Coming up guys. Just let you know the Tech Giant boasts on this website that handles 15 billion health care transactions a year and that one of three US patients' records touched by our clinical connectivity solutions. That's crazy. In 2022, Health Insurance Giant United Health Group completed its merger of US health care. Like people sleep, health care, health care, tech jobs that's where you need to be.

Speaker 2: 46:31

You know, what's crazy is that's a niche, a niche, niche. That's a niche Like. I know a couple of women who actually work in health care, and they've only worked in health care and because of that they've been able to make a lot of money, a lot, a lot like a lot.

Speaker 1: 46:51

One of my episodes I did in the past. She does like electronic health record stuff and we were supposed to shoot on my birthday, but we're going to re-up sometime in the summer, I guess, and she shows people how to kind of get into that as well. One of my friends, kim, if you're listening, you're going to come on the show eventually. Stop being so shy. She does sub security for Epic at a hospital in Houston. But that's funny enough. Crazy. I applied for a job at Baylor Scott and White the other day no lie, 12.10 PM, I can show you At 12.13, it rejected me. I was like hell. No, y'all did not look at my resume.

Speaker 2: 47:29

And isn't that crazy to you how quick some of these rejections come back for jobs when you know that you are qualified for the role? It's just like what is going on with your initial check. It's like what do y'all have Because they're missing out on good candidates.

Speaker 1: 47:49

Yeah, I don't even think it really checked, I just think it's scanning for whatever I believe a keyword is, but I reached out to somebody on the team and see what they'll say to it, because I was like they're really looking for somebody in the area. I already know how it goes, so that's a good thing too, when you know it's not too many people that got this skill set of X amount of years to do this, and I don't really know what y'all need, because health care is one of the worst places to not necessarily work. But they got the money to spend on the tools, but it's just always so much stuff that's not done, which is why they always need help with it. Change health care. They was, like that, one of the people that provides stock services to them. They had so much backlog of alerts and Q-Ferritor and stuff. It was crazy. Everybody knocked them all out, though, but surprisingly they didn't have anything happen until then, but the company that they used to work with they were not responsible for that, so that was cool.

Speaker 2: 48:45

What do you think about them? Having 100 systems impacted or affected, that's a large Maybe more.

Speaker 1: 48:54

It's probably going to come out to be more.

Speaker 2: 48:57

That's probably 100 systems at the time that I read that particular article. But health care is so scary to me Because you have people's lives that are on the line as a result of a breach Like you just think about ransomware. Think about a situation where your grandparent, mom, dad, kid needs to go into emergency surgery and they can't because everything is locked. And when I say everything, I mean they can't access the medical records. So the doctors can't tell you when the last time is they had that dose, because no one's really working off paper Anymore, they're working off. I'm going to take that back. Most people are not working off of paper anymore. So if I am the surgeon that's supposed to get a surgery to your loved one and I can't, because I can't validate when the last time they had their medicine, I can't validate what they're allergic to. So we don't want to give them anything because you can tell us, but we need to look into our documentation. I can't open the doors to get to the surgical room. I can't open the medicine cabinet. All of this stuff people don't even think is being controlled by technology. You have to badge in to get through the door, but you can't get through the door if you have an attack and they've locked everything up and you don't have. It's scary. It's very scary If you can't make decisions in being controlled the things that you need to be in control over for your role, especially in a health care setting, is extremely scary.

Speaker 1: 50:37

Yeah, it's funny you say that. So now we get into the fun stuff a little bit, of how I try to get my clients to think. So we just stated a lot of problems here. What happens if we can't get into the building or the systems are hacked? So now you come into the interview with some solutions Like, hey, I know you guys just got to head it Big incident or something like that. I want to actually ask some questions At a high level what can you tell me that you got struggled with? And maybe they tell you, maybe they don't. And hey, did y'all guys have y'all disaster recovery plans?

Speaker 2: 51:08

Like business can continue. Can you tell me?

Speaker 1: 51:12

when to be. Yeah, we have access to them, like I've got a safe over here right now with IR playing in it in case nobody can access the systems or nothing. And what happens if people can badge in?

Speaker 2: 51:25

That's, let's start there. Ok, let's start there. Let's start there. What happens if people, if your employees, can't get in? How can they help you run your business? How can they?

Speaker 1: 51:36

Slowly step further. What happens if the whole hospital goes down? You shouldn't have to replace makers and auto monitoring devices. What happens?

Speaker 2: 51:46

Yeah, the blood pressure, heart rate, oxygen Shoot whatever, no one ever thinks about those things until either it happens to someone that they love or it happens at their place of employment. But health care is not a game and you have to think about the liability the hospital, whatever the facility, is facing as well, because you have all of these people scheduled for these procedures. You have all these people in these rooms at your service and, if you were, that's why they pay the ransom. That's why Because they need to save these lives and if they don't, life or death, insecurity when it comes to you.

Speaker 1: 52:29

That's my hard part of getting ransom stuff too, though If we start doing it, everybody going to do it. It's one of those things where there's risk acceptance, where they're trying so in cases like this. So here are the use cases. When you got for AI or machine learning, it is, for it is no way possible a hospital can hire just so many different people, unless it's like a hospital with so many different hospitals where they're centralized and they got the big team. They'll have to bring in some machine learning, some AI in. That's what a lot of companies are trying to work on. Is stuff like that Shoot? We were talking about deep fakes earlier. Somebody come in with the deep fake of acting like they're somebody relative and say, hey, we want them to pull the plug Because they know they finna get an insurance policy or something Like it's getting crazy.

Speaker 2: 53:16

Let's talk about the deep fake thing one more time. So do you feel like in the future we are going to have to authenticate to each other, like using a code or something, a verbal key, or that situation just had me thinking about so many things like are we going to have to now figure out how we can verbally authenticate? Are you going to get a code and I'm going to get the code and we all need to verify that we got the same code? You know something that a lot of mills line for 30 can proceed with this meeting.

Speaker 1: 53:53

Yeah, I think so. It's going to be interesting because it's like how do you? That's what I'm listening to. I need to follow the money on the companies that are working on spotting people who are using AI to clone somebody's voice. I've bought this up many times, but just think about somebody trying to make you mad and act like they was your fiance. Oh, I got your fiance talking to somebody else and then they clone the voice and they make it sound like them. But now this comes into OK, this AI don't know my fiance like I do. They're going to make them say something that you don't only say that's it. And I only say that because when I look at people resumes, I'll say they use AI because it overdoes it. I was like I know you don't talk like Tia on a regular basis, yep.

Speaker 2: 54:39

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 54:41

Yes, yes, yes, that's what I'm listening to.

Speaker 2: 54:44

Like with that I don't. When I first came out, I mean, you know, like chat, gpt, oh man, I'm like I was never thinking negatively about the impacts that I could have when it first came out. And now that's just something that's always in the back of my head. It's like, unfortunately. Like AI is beautiful, it can be a beautiful thing, but again the government has to actually put some things in place for us to make sure that it is able to be a beautiful thing and not an ugly thing.

Speaker 1: 55:20

Yeah, you know, I'm a little bit worried about kids especially with this whole social media. You know well not even on that. What do we call it?

Speaker 2: 55:34

What do we even call it?

Speaker 1: 55:35

Let's get to a foundational level. Kids and just learning stuff is so easy for them. Now, man my girl was talking about it's like well, for one, you know that viral clip of that man that's a seven grade teacher or something like that getting on them as students for not knowing their shapes.

Speaker 2: 55:51

That was the black guy.

Speaker 1: 55:53

Yeah, yeah. It's like how do kids be in middle school that know their shapes? My little girls are two and three. They know some of their shapes, or most of the shapes is triangle square. Now they may not know what a rhombus, or they know octagon, pentagon, stuff like that. But how do you go through school not knowing that? How do you? It's another guy on TikTok who's Josh Chucks, who he's pretty much illiterate, and I want people to understand being illiterate and not just being like cumminsism, like still being smart, or two different things. You could be a smart person to still be illiterate. You definitely can, teaching yourself how to read.

Speaker 2: 56:28

They must didn't see John Lai. He was a smart guy, he could play the drums. He couldn't read music, so you know.

Speaker 1: 56:35

Yeah, and the guy gave his context about it. It's like I was born into a black family with a lot of self. What is it called? I forgot what it's called. You could say self-loathing, but it's another where I think starts with a D. I don't know it's deprecation if that's it either, but he was talking about they were drunks. They were always associating there. I didn't need to know what the world told them they should be, and so none of them really knew how to read and he grew up just going through school not knowing how to read and Now, right now I think he said he reads like an eighth grader. I'm not eighth grader, eight year old through 10 year old.

Speaker 2: 57:11

Is that the guy that saw TikTok reading books?

Speaker 1: 57:14

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: 57:15

Yep, yep.

Speaker 1: 57:16

Yep, yeah. So I was just like that's just crazy to me. I don't know, some of these things are crazy to me because I came from a state that's like always dead last in education, but I was always a good reader, like in middle school, reading on a 12th grade level when I was what age was I, um, rosie, the third or fourth grade, they start pushing out to us and said, the way they're reading, hey, you get all these points, you go to the AR party. I've never missed going to an AR party because I always had more than enough points to go.

Speaker 2: 57:42

Yeah, my mom was big on reading. Like she didn't, like my mom used to make us read books during summer, the summer, and be like and write me a one page summary of what you learned for that. But like I'm a reader now because of that, like I read books, so like my mom was always in reading when I was growing up in school was it was being pushed by my school Like kids need to read for 30 minutes a day, every day, and so my mom took that and she ran with it. Oh, you don't need 30 minutes to reading. Well, you gonna read for an hour.

Speaker 1: 58:15

You know that's, that was us. Well, it's one of those things too right, Like if I show people like our girls closet nothing but like bookshelf books and they got all these books they like to read, but they like to act like they read. They take the books they're reading. And they read in the pictures yeah, but my mom's a reader, so she's always reading books. I used to go through a time in middle school I was reading about two, three books a week. Yeah, I was in that career.

Speaker 2: 58:43

It taken on. The challenge of reading Harry Potter in elementary school was like like you were cool, you was, oh, you read Harry Potter. You read that big old book. And I have some friends even today in adulthood. They're like I would never in my life read that book. It's too thick. But you people who don't read don't even understand how reading can be enjoyable and like think about when you're learning.

Speaker 1: 59:07

That's what the script is what you watch on TV.

Speaker 2: 59:10

Yeah, yeah, and even when I was in school getting my masters right, a lot of people, when they're in school, they don't read. If you don't read, you will not be able to comprehend and understand the material as quick, especially if you're unfamiliar with the concepts and you know, the field, like I knew for sure every chapter I was going to have to read, because I was unfamiliar with the industry. I had to read every chapter to actually understand. Okay, so this is what they asked me to do in this assignment. So reading is fundamental and you're always going to have to read things. So yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 59:47

I totally agree. So what is the thickest book you've read? I got my answers. Probably going to shock you.

Speaker 2: 59:59

I don't. I guess like, probably like something along the lines of Harry Potter, because they're the thickest books that I can think that I've read the Bible. I don't know, you don't know the thickest book I read what Midnight?

Speaker 1: 1:00:18

by Sister Soldier.

Speaker 2: 1:00:19

Okay, that's the thing. Okay, I've read that too. I've read that too. I've read it in the hospital. I'm just looking at my bookshelf.

Speaker 1: 1:00:31

And my friend she read a lot of books. She was like I can't get it. I said you got a key reading this about the pickup.

Speaker 2: 1:00:37

Okay, so wait, wait, wait, wait, rewind, rewind. So before you read Midnight, did you read the code as one chapter?

Speaker 1: 1:00:44

No, I read, only read you have to read that one. But you know what I only read Midnight because it was at the house.

Speaker 2: 1:00:52

Okay, well, see, I never wanted, I didn't love Midnight, I didn't hate it, but the code is one to ever was so insanely good that it made me want to know more about him because he was introducing that book. And so when I read it I was just like you know, chapter one, two, three, I'm getting through, I'm like it's not, it does it absolutely. They don't hit the same. They got two completely different tones, but it did make me appreciate him more as a character reading that book, for sure, but I did read that love.

Speaker 1: 1:01:29

Yeah, I think after that I really started. I got hooked on Carl Weber heart. So my first Carl Weber book was the preacher sign and I just started, got in all in that whole universe of it connecting to that and then the family business and quiet like it.

Speaker 2: 1:01:46

So all those I read that, but I do. I did start the show for the family business.

Speaker 1: 1:01:53

The show is okay, but the book is way better because he was the first show kind of starts off with something. So you find out like book two and three versus the foundation is laid in number one and they have spin offs within the universe of stuff that's not in the main books that you learn different things about, like Paris has her own from Paris for love, and then opening day with Chippy and L C. But the people they got to kind of play them kind of make sense. Like that dude that plays L C, I can imagine him like I ain't gonna lie, the audio books aspire for the family business. Like if you ain't got time to sit like I did trips, I'm just listening to audio books.

Speaker 2: 1:02:36

I like audio books, especially because it allows you to still do whatever you got to do a lot, yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:02:42

So that's like for sure, for sure. What's the name? Thomas Hunter. He writes some good books too. I like his. It's a book. I like going back and reading the books that, like the black writers, wrote in the nineties. So he has his book called the hearts of men, and so you can tell us, based on the nineties, based on salaries, cars people are driving and different things, that's happened and it's a. It's really good. Those books hold up throughout the years and that's why I always like to go back and read books. That's why, funny enough, we're probably going to end with this, but me and my girl we watched so many like different shows to where, like, sometimes we can try to enjoy them. But now we're like we're trying to figure out what's going to happen next. So the whole time we're watching the freaking Mia Coppa. We're like, okay, some may add none. We like Ray got something to do with this Cause. Why is he emphasizing these pains and her representing him, and by how long? Have you seen it yet?

Speaker 2: 1:03:35

I started it. I didn't finish it. I fell asleep. I started it Friday, though, but I did fall asleep on it. Okay, I watched a lot of Tik Toks about it, though, and I like Tyler Perry. We know that sometimes he puts out some things that are a big questionable for him, but I'm still going to check it out, because I do like to, you know, support Tyler for sure, so I'm going to watch you today.

Speaker 1: 1:04:00

It's a dude on Tik Tok that talked like this about basketball. So I'm going to say like this we done with Tyler Perry he trash.

Speaker 2: 1:04:08

So you didn't like it? You didn't like it, no, it feels like the reviews were like. The reviews were like, um, very mixed, like you had people who were saying like, uh, like this is insane, I can't believe it, it was the same. Then I then I'm getting the vibes that it's like more of an erotic thriller, and then I'm getting the vibes that it's also like another movie that's already out, caught, um, addicted, I think that's what it's called.

Speaker 1: 1:04:31

Yeah, it looks like a dictate. It looks like a dictate. It looks like um acrimony.

Speaker 2: 1:04:37

Yeah, I heard that too. I heard that too.

Speaker 1: 1:04:40

Um, you remember the one he had I don't know, it's not called when the boat breaks, but remember the one where the chick had got divorced and she was friends with this lady and starts talking to his son and they tried to. She had kidnapped people in the basement.

Speaker 2: 1:04:51

Yes.

Speaker 1: 1:04:52

Yep, it feel like them three movies. It feel like them three movies to me.

Speaker 2: 1:04:56

I heard that Kelly did a really good job, though, compared to what the script like what's what the script? What what the story was like, she did the best. She worked with what she had.

Speaker 1: 1:05:05

I'm not so I think. I think all the actors like a lot of the stuff just wants to be. It's unbelievable. Like the dude who was a painter, that shit was not believable. I was like this nigga look like he's supposed to be dealing drugs or playing football or something.

Speaker 2: 1:05:17

He doesn't believe, didn't give painter, for sure he gave. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:05:22

I was happy that the, the Latino brothers, that they was the ones messing up this time and not black me. I was happy for that. And then the whole time it's like why she don't get with. I don't know if you got that far enough to know her private investigator. Did you get to see him?

Speaker 2: 1:05:35

No, I think I was only like 20 minutes in.

Speaker 1: 1:05:38

You usually watch the shows like, well, why does she just get with him? Or even being in 20 minutes, like it just was unrealistic, because I've never known a woman to let somebody, mama, talk to them that way. I'm sorry, I didn't see that.

Speaker 2: 1:05:49

I didn't see that part. I didn't see. I'm like what she talking about some weedicide that you're not gonna like. Who is who?

Speaker 1: 1:05:56

Right, I don't care if you've been a beat down or not. You'd eventually got slapped.

Speaker 2: 1:06:00

Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1: 1:06:01

Sometimes you got to tell folks in law's moms. They're sometimes you got. Sometimes they try to do stuff that you see. If they can trust that you're going to take care of their proposition, they can do it, yeah. So sometimes they try to teach you and sometimes you got to put them in a place and it's either going to be up and stuck or they're going to be like man AI just trying to. But we owe, don't play them like that. You don't even know me, yeah, but guys, anyways, if there are topics that you guys want us to talk about, please send an email. You can do info at textualconsultingcom. You can send them to unread Davis at the textualtalkcom. I'm probably going to just set you up with your own domain where you can just have an email at destinywilliams at the textualtalkcom. And, yeah, we're planning to do this live next time. So if you're listening right now, be prepared. We're going to try to do this either Saturday mornings, sunday mornings, nights, whenever we're going to try to get in and work with our schedules, and eventually we're going to try to do some of these in the studio. So I appreciate y'all for walking with us. Destiny, you got anything you want to say.

Speaker 2: 1:07:04

No, no, no, no, not really Connect with me, though If you have some questions, so we get the email up and running, send me any feedback. On LinkedIn, I am destinywilliams D-E-S-T-I-N-I and on Instagram I'm cyber shorty cyber-S-H-O-R-T-I-E-E-E three E's, so connect with your girl. We'll be back sooner than later.

Speaker 1: 1:07:30

All right, well, until next time. You know what I always say let's stay textual and we out Peace.